#380: The #1 Reason Lawyers Are Unhappy (It’s Not What You Think)

Today we are talking about the number one reason lawyers do not love their lives. I have experienced this myself, and I can tell you right now that it's not because of your job. It's not because of your boss. It's not about the amount of time that you do or don't have. It's not about the amount of money that you do or don't have. It's not your kids, it's not your spouse. But I am gonna tell you what it is today. So keep listening. Hi, I'm Dina Cataldo, a master coach and ex criminal prosecutor. I created. Be a Better Lawyer podcast for driven lawyers like you who want more from life than sitting behind a desk. You've been playing by other people's rules. Those rules have left you overwhelmed. Unfulfilled, and feeling like a hamster on a wheel. I've been there. I was doing everything people told me to do to be successful, working late nights, weekends, and trying to make everyone happy.

So why wasn't I happy and I wanted more in life? When was I going to find time to find and pursue that? Well, I did. And I'm sharing with you my secrets to living a happier and more fulfilling life. This podcast gives you a lifetime of wisdom, mindset, principles, and bedrock strategies to give you unshakeable confidence, more time to pursue your goals, a powerful sense of purpose to uplevel your life and law practice and so much more. These are things we were never taught in law school. This podcast bridges the gap between law, school and life. I'm so glad you're here. Let's get started.

Hello, my friend. How are you today? I hope today is finding you really well, that you are enjoying your day and finding the joy in your life because it really does take effort and attention to find joy, especially when there is so much information out there that is spit at us through social media, through the news, and to really remind yourself that you are in charge of your wellbeing is an effort at times. So I wanna share with you, wherever you are today, whatever place you find yourself listening to this episode of Be a Better Lawyer, I offer that you can use your attention and focus it on the beauty in this world. I do this every single day because I too am human. I too have times where my mind wants to scroll social media and I see something and I go down a a rabbit hole that sometimes is darker than I intended.

And then I actively reset myself to find the joy, to find the blessings, to remind myself. Like this morning I was looking out the window and I saw these two hummingbirds just flying in circles with each other, fighting over the feeder maybe. But it's a beautiful, beautiful opportunity. Every moment you notice yourself veering to the left to take you to self, to the right, or if you're going right, to build yourself to the left. So just noticing that and giving yourself that opportunity to feel more joy in your life. Because a big reason that we are here is to experience joy. Not the only reason. There's a lot of discomfort, and that's all with purpose. But what I wanna share with you is that so often we spend more time in the worry and the self-doubt and the fear and the anxiety when we have every single moment the opportunity to reset ourselves.

Today's episode is related to this really because the number one reason why lawyers aren't happy is something that you'll start to see everywhere around you when I start to enumerate what is happening and what you might be experiencing right now. So before I tell you what it is, here's why this is so important. If you're listening to this right now, you want something, right? It could be as unassuming as working four days a week instead of six. It could be as big as writing a book or starting a new business while you're practicing law. It doesn't really matter what it is you want, but you want something, it's pulling at you and it reminds you all the time, Hey, there's this thing that I want. And sometimes you can't fully explain it. There's just this pull. There's just this desire, and you may not even know exactly what it is that you want.

You just feel this tug at you. That was me for the longest time. I didn't know what this tug was that I had. I was practicing as a prosecutor, working, I don't know, it's like 50, 70 hours a week. And I felt this tug to do something more. But to me it sounded ridiculous. How could I do more? I was already working an ungodly number of hours. I was already tired and stressed and anxious. How could I follow this poll when I had all of these feelings inside that really, it made it seem to me that it made no sense to desire anything different than what I already had. And that might be you right now. So I want you to know that if it is, you're not alone. I experienced that push pull feeling for a very long time, not fully understanding it, thinking that I could logic myself out of it and tell myself things like, well, it doesn't make sense to build a business and invest in myself to build this business when I haven't paid off all my student loans, because that's not responsible, right?

And that would put me back into my box and say, Nope, you should just practice. You know, you're a criminal prosecutor. Just do your job. Just keep doing that. Well keep working. And it kept me for a long time from following that tug, that poll. And I was deeply, I didn't know it at the time. I was deeply unhappy. And the reason I was unhappy was because I wasn't following that poll. There's a reason. We have a poll. We have an internal guidance system. And that internal guidance system isn't logic. That internal logic, right? That internal guidance system has nothing to do with taking one plus one and having that equal two. Because sometimes you'll take one and one and it'll equal a thousand. And you're like, how did that happen? And when you look at my trajectory and you look at the trajectory of so many of my clients, if you tried to logic it out, it would never make sense.

So I went from working 50 to 70 hours a week as a lawyer, built my business, invested tens of thousands and tens of thousands and tens of thousands of dollars more into myself while having student loans. And I was building a business. I was learning website design <laugh>. I was learning, you know, what it meant to market, what it meant to have a business online. I was learning all of these things. Ideal client avatar. I was learning all of these things. Had nothing to do with criminal law, had nothing to do with taking cases to trial. And if you had looked at the people around me, it would make no logical sense because all of those people were on a different trajectory. They didn't have the same desire that I had. They weren't necessarily even aware of their internal guidance system. I wouldn't even have called it an internal guidance system at the time.

I just knew I wanted something. It was like, you know, when you're thinking about, wow, I really want that piece of cake. It's like, oh, I really want that chocolate. It was just this desire. I had no explanation for it. I just knew I needed to follow it. And guess what? Here I am. What, what is it? Like 10 years later, I'm now living in a new city. I am living this beautiful life where I get to work from home. I get to help lawyers, working online with them, coaching them, helping them with everything from time management to business growth. I get to do that now. I get to see how they develop, how they get to influence their children, how they get to spend more time with their kids now because of what they're learning from me. And that is amazing to me. I never would've been able to picture that at that very beginning of having that desire that my whole life one day would be different.

It would be a a completely different life. But I wasn't able to picture that all in that moment when I had the desire. I just have the desire for something, for something more. I couldn't put words to it. I couldn't tell you, oh yes, I want to live in Sedona, and then I would like to be a master certified coach, and I would like to coach lawyers online every single day. And I wanna help them do, you know, build their businesses without the stress. I would not have been able to tell you that when I have these desires. And so if you are hoping for this fully developed picture of who you will become, just because you have a desire, I want you to know that's not how it works. You have a desire, and then you either choose to follow it or you don't, and you take it step by step or you don't.

And for me, I knew the pain of not following that desire step by step wherever it might take me. I had no attachment. I was just like, all right, I have to do this. I don't know what it is. I just, I have to do this. It was taking too much of my brain space. It was really pulling at me and I had to do it. And now I know why. It was so that I could live the life that I have now. It's so I could help the people that I help now. But at the time, I had no logic behind it. I couldn't tell you, oh, you're gonna be making just as much money as you were when you were a lawyer. You're gonna be doing just as well. You're gonna enjoy your life more. You're gonna have more space. You're gonna feel more freedom.

I could not have told you any of that. All I had was this desire, and I did not want to dismiss it. It wouldn't let me dismiss it. It just kept tugging at me and pulling at me. And thank goodness, thank God it did. So if you have this, if you're listening to this and you're feeling this pull, you wanna listen to this whole episode, I don't want you to fight the desire. I mean, you might, and that's okay, I did. But when you fight the desire, it's not going to help things. You're gonna feel more confliction, it's gonna make things more difficult. Just know that it might not make sense. Your desire might not make sense for you right now, no matter what it is. Whether it's taking another day off or starting a whole new business, doesn't matter what it is. It could be leaving the office earlier every day.

It might not make any sense to you right now. That's okay. So let's keep moving here, because I know that you can logic yourself out of anything. I know my brain did too. It was like, no, you know, you're making tons of money. You don't need anything. Just be grateful for what you have right now. You should be grateful. Think about your grandparents and your parents. They never had this opportunity. Wouldn't it be neglectful? Wouldn't it be ambitious? Wouldn't it be rude and arrogant <laugh> for me to do something different with my life than I had anticipated? Wouldn't it be a disappointment to them? So this is what I wanna want you to really have some awareness of is what are you telling yourself around your desire? Because oftentimes what we do, instead of taking action on it, is we sit on it, we sit on it, we wait.

We hope that it goes away, <laugh>, we hope that it leaves us alone, right? And we tell ourselves, look, it's all working out right now. Everything's fine. Just enjoy it. Just make the best of it. You tell yourself things like, you know, doing anything different, it would just be insane. It would be crazy. People are gonna think that I'm not serious about being my being a lawyer. They're gonna think that, you know, if I invest in a business that, that, that's irresponsible. In fact, I ask myself that many times because you know, to, to start a business, it costs money. You, you invest in yourself. I invested in coaching for myself. I invested in coach training for myself. I invested in business programs so that I could learn the things, like all the things I didn't need to. I didn't know what I needed. I just knew I needed to follow this pull.

But once I got a coach, things started to really solidify and helped me focus my attention. So I wasn't scatterbrained, I wasn't putting my attention and my money on everything. It was just like, oh, let me focus on these things that are gonna help me move me closer towards that pull to whatever that is that it's taking me to. I need to follow that. And then I would do these things too. And I've heard this from my clients. So if you're doing these, this is very normal. When you have a desire, you start asking yourself, well, what are my parents going to think? What is my boss gonna think? What are my colleagues and my friends gonna think? Shouldn't I be responsible and pay off all of my student loans before I start a business? So what is the number one reason that lawyers are not happier, that lawyers aren't creating lives that they love?

Well, it's because they dismiss their desires as unreasonable or impossible. Let me say that again. They dismiss their desires as unreasonable or impossible. Are you doing this right now? Are you dismissing your desires? So this really, this dismissal of our desires, it's just a symptom. Let me tell you what it's a symptom of. It's a symptom of the structures that you have received and where you are currently in breaking those structures down in your life. So what is a structure? A structure is the way that we believe, right? So every structure that we have comes from something that we are thinking, and we think it enough that it becomes a belief. And when we believe it, it quote unquote feels true. It feels like it's impossible to get past this structure. For example, um, I've had clients who tell me, you know, I, I can't take a day off during the week because my boss is go, or it wasn't even her boss because she was her boss.

But she, you know, when you're a boss, you've taken all of these structures, all of these beliefs from former bosses. So she had this structure, this belief built in by what she had observed, what she had had absorbed in her former firm experiences that she had to work five days a week. And if she were to take an extra day off, if she were to take a Friday off, for example, people would be judging her. That she would not be working. She wasn't a hardworking lawyer and she attached a lot of her self-worth to being hardworking. That's another structure, a structure that we need to break down if we're going to create something different in our lives. That hard work somehow creates money. Hard work somehow creates success. Yes, you gotta work, you've gotta be diligent, you have to pay attention, you've gotta be consistent.

But what hard work means to high achieving lawyers is something that grinds you into the ground that really leaves you disregarding your personal needs, your desires to be with your family, your desires to care for your wellbeing. I see this all the time. I did it myself. So one of the things that she was doing was dismissing because of the structure. This belief that she had, that she had to work five days a week, she found herself dismissing the desire to work four days a week. All that was, was a structure she hadn't yet broken down yet. And busting through structures feels scary. And a lot of people, what happens is, is they feel the fear and they think that's a sign for them not to do it. That's incorrect. <laugh>, I don't look at that at all. A fear is something there, that's a learning tool.

It's there to show you where your brain has set your, the, your thermometer, your success thermometer, your capability thermometer. It said, okay, nope, we have only done this. We've always worked five days a week. If you wanna work four days a week, we're gonna up the fear factor here, because that is abnormal according to your beliefs, according to the structure that you have absorbed from firms over the years. So our beliefs come from what we have internalized from what we have observed around us. It could be from when we were kids, it could be from when we are adults working in a firm, but it, these are things that we internalize. So busting through these structures feels scary because they've been like guide rails. You know, imagine yourself on a roller coaster. I mean, that's kind of life, right? There's ups and downs. But imagine yourself on a roller rollercoaster.

You need guide rails for your cart. And if you don't have guide rails, then you go flying off the edge. So these guide rails are things that are, are beliefs, that are, are these structures that I'm talking about here? And they have been the these guides the whole time, right? Do this and you're safe. Do that and you're not safe. Do this and people will think you're successful. Do that. And people will think you're a failure. Do this. And people will think you're a good girl or a good boy do this. And people will think you're a bad girl or a bad boy. Do this and you won't get in trouble. Do that and you will be in trouble. You see what I'm saying? These are the guideposts that we have subconsciously absorbed throughout the years that are telling us what we can and can't do.

And if you haven't broken your structures, you will never love your life because you've gotta break down these structures one by one by one, until you have the freedom that you desire. Because ultimately, if you have this pull, that pull is telling you that you desire you, you're supposed to go in another direction on the other end of that direction, there's more freedom, but you've gotta follow it. And to follow it is scary because of all of these structures. So the structures become our guide for what a good life is and what a bad life is, instead of us going inside and following our internal guidance system. And that is where so many lawyers get stuck, is believing what externally they have picked up all of this time that, you know, if I leave the office at four o'clock, people around me are gonna talk and they're gonna think I'm a bad lawyer and they're gonna think that I don't love my job and then I'm gonna get fired.

Like you see little logic, right? Your brain tries to logic yourself out of what you truly desire instead of being the person who follows that internal guidance system and takes authority over your life. Ultimately, that's what I'm doing with my clients, is I'm helping them take authority over their lives again, to start breaking down these structures so that they can do the things that feel scary, but they're not really all that scary. Like for you, you might be listening to me talk about, oh, well, you know, leaving at four, that's not that big a deal. That's not that scary. But I can tell you from my personal experience that when I made the decision to leave at four o'clock, my brain was going haywire. It was telling me things like, oh my God, they're gonna be staring at you when you go into the parking lot.

You're gonna have to sneak out so that nobody sees you because they're all going to be thinking that you are, you know, you're irresponsible, you're not a good lawyer. All of these things. And maybe there were people like that. I dunno. And frankly, I don't care because I was doing what was best for me. And yes, that was outside of the guidelines, right? Like, oh, you can't leave here at four o'clock because otherwise, you know, people are gonna say this, that, and the other. And that was scary for me. But I knew I needed to follow that guidance of, look, you need to take care of yourself. You need to have this time to yourself. You've done all the work you're gonna be able to do today. You did a good job doing your work. I had to be able to be in authority over my mind so that I could then create the life that I wanted and that was helping me create a life that I loved in that moment and that my friend could be something that sounds really easy to you.

But then let's take this to the next level. Let's say it's really easy for you to leave a little early. It's easy for you to take another day off. But what about that pull that desire. You have to start a new practice area. What about that pull, that desire. You have to write a book. What about that desire, that pull that you have to be on national television, sharing your story to start an entirely new practice, one that requires you to leave your job. Those things feel scary because we have these guidelines, these rails. In fact, so many people at my office, I'm sure they thought I was crazy because I was leaving before I was 65 years old because I was working for the DA's office. That was something that everybody was like, oh, I, you know, I can't wait till I retire. Only 20 more years to go.

And to me, in my mind, that sounded crazy. So I just wanna offer to you that no matter the flavor of the thing that you desire, don't dismiss it. It doesn't matter how small it is or how big it is. Do not dismiss it. There's a reason you have it that's gonna take you into the growth, the expansion that you are meant to experience in this lifetime. So those structures, those structures that you have, do you recognize the ones that have been holding you back, the beliefs that you have that are preventing you from having the life that you want from doing what you want? So I'm gonna give you a few examples here. I've given you a few of mine already, but I had a client who wanted to start her own business and we were working on that. She was working full-time at a law firm as well.

And she was really afraid to post on social media because she was afraid of what other people would think. Notice how these structures come from what our brain says other people will think, other people will think, we're not serious. Other people will think we're quitting. Other people will think we don't wanna be partner. Other people will think blah, blah, blah. Fill in the blank. Notice that because so much of what holds us back from having a life that we want is thinking about what other people will think about us when ultimately are they living your life? No. Does it ultimately matter? Are you gonna be on your deathbed and thinking about what Bob in accounting thought about your decision to start a business? No. I want you to give yourself that kind of perspective. Because when you start really thinking about how much energy is spent on what other people think about you and what your decisions are, you're gonna see how much they hold you back, how much they've become structures that have boxed you in.

And when you haven't broken down your structures, every time you feel fear, you're going to interpret it as a sign to stop or that you're doing something wrong or that you're gonna get into trouble. If you have worked towards a goal, you tell yourself that it should be happening faster. If you haven't broken down your structures, you're gonna believe that if it hasn't happened yet, if you haven't achieved that thing that you desire yet, then it's not gonna happen. You think that accomplishing your goal should be easier. You believe that if you fail, that you're a failure. And another symptom of really not breaking down these structures is this black and white thinking. And my favorite example right now is one of my clients who she decided when we started working together that she wanted to go after a growing practice. She wanted to really establish herself in her community and grow her practice, but she also wanted to start a family.

And once she got pregnant, she became really concerned that she wasn't gonna be able to continue growing her practice. Her brain went into that black and white thinking of, okay, I can have a family or I can grow my practice. But when we really looked at the math, we really looked at what she had already set up for herself while we were working together. The system she had set into place, the people that she had hired on her team, the way she had trained them. And we started like tweaking things so that she could prepare herself for when she was out on maternity leave. She really started to see, oh, wait a minute. My practice is still growing. I'm already pregnant and it's growing and I can already see the numbers exceeding my expectations now. And now I'm looking at the forecast where I'm gonna be on maternity leave and I can see how the, the income's gonna keep coming in.

The referrals are gonna keep coming in. I've set everything in motion. I've set everything in place that that all came from challenging her structure, her belief that it wasn't possible to continue even thinking about growing her practice when she was growing her family. So these are the kinds of things that we've got to be aware of. And not to dismiss our desires, not to ignore them, not to tell ourselves they're impossible, because that's not the truth. The truth is, is that we have all of these structures that we have internalized over the years, and we have believed that they are keeping us safe when really they are keeping us trapped, trapped from the availability of different futures for ourselves, trapped in the place that we are now, instead of moving towards our desires, moving towards more freedom, more openness, more, more joy in our lives.

And that really comes down to noticing where your structures are and starting to break them down. I had so many structures. One of the biggest structures I had was this belief in status that somehow, because I, you know, this is what happens. I was talking to a lawyer recently about this is when you become a trial attorney, you walk into a room, you own it. You are somebody who is respected. People talk so nicely to you, they're so respectful to you. Oh my goodness, people are just bending over backwards. It's ridiculous. It's the biggest ego boost you will ever have. And I had so much of my self-worth and my ego tied into this that it made it very difficult to break the structure, to break away from that egoic self and say, no, what I really wanna do is honor this, pull this desire that I have.

I, this feels right. I can't explain it, I don't have any words for it, but I know I need to honor this pull because this is important. And I followed it. I followed it. I moved away from the DA's office. I stopped being a trial attorney. I stopped doing those things, being around those people that gave me those big ego boosts. And I started simply being in alignment with myself, following the poll, respecting the poll, and honoring myself every step of the way. Because one of the things that happens when we start doing this is we tell ourselves we're doing something wrong, right? Because our structure is telling us this is the right thing, right? Like, you've got money, you've got status, people are looking up to you, yada, yada, yada. And you think, ah, yep, that's, that's life, right? That's what society tells us is success.

I remember watching Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous when I was a little girl, and I used to think, oh yeah, that's what success is, is like living in this crazy mansion with like five swimming pools and having all of these people waiting on you hand and foot. I really, I thought, oh yeah, that's what success is. No, I came to realize that it was totally different for me. But that structure, that external thing that I saw, and that television show was sending me a message that was subconsciously structuring me to believe that success looked like this, that and the other. I want you to ask yourself, how many times are you observing the external world? And you're saying, oh yeah, that, that's, I want that. I I want five swimming pools and I want 10 bodyguards surrounding me at all times. And you're like, yes, that's success.

Just observe yourself. There's no right or wrong about this. No judgment around this. Don't have any judgment about it at all. I'm not even judging myself for looking at that back then on a TV show. Of course I did. I was a little girl. I thought that looked super fun. So instead, just notice, are you following someone else's rules? Someone else's rules for what success looks like. Success looks like walking into a courtroom and everybody just falling over themselves because they, they can't wait to hear the words coming out of your mouth, whatever that looks like for you, right? But just, just notice these things are you, do you have these kinds of structure for yourself because you could be losing out on something that's bigger and better because that internal guidance system, it doesn't. Do you wrong if you honor it. I honored it, thank goodness.

'cause I would never have imagined a life like this. Not in a million years, like when I was a little girl. I could never have imagined that I would get to live the life that I get to live. And it's not a life of multiple swimming pools or anything like that. It's a life with so much freedom and so much joy. And it's not to say that there's not work involved. It's not to say that there's not, you know, pains or efforts, right? But it's a life that feels in alignment with my soul. I don't have any other way to describe it than that. I moved heaven and earth to change who I was to go after whatever it was that was pulling me. I moved heaven and earth to move cities. I did all of these things because of the poles that I had, and they have never steered me wrong.

So if you notice yourself dismissing the desire that you have, whether it's some of the big things that I've talked about here in this episode, or some of the smaller things like just wanting to go to yoga at four 30 or just wanting to get home by six o'clock to have dinner with your family, right? I want you to honor that poll. And there's so many more examples I wanna give you here. I'm, I actually wrote down, I was writing down a list before I sat down here because I wanted to give you examples of things that lawyers have done that they've followed that poll and they've broken their structures so that they could achieve these. They've started businesses, they've left the law, they've worked a four day week. They started a blog. They started posting on social media about their business. They planned a maternity leave where her business still grows even while she's away.

She leave. One attorney leaves the office at five o'clock so they can spend time with their family at dinner. They have spent a, there was a two week vacation one of my clients had where she didn't take her laptop, she didn't check email, she just spent time with her daughter. She, she just decided she was going to do this. And she broke all of her structures, all of the things that her office, you know, she picked up at her office, which is you can't take long vacations and people are gonna judge you. People are, people are gonna think you need to be available all the time. We worked together to give herself the support that she needed on those two weeks away so that she could take those two weeks away. She broke that structure of what other people were saying were the rules. And she made her own rules, right?

I have other clients who are getting paid more for the same amount of work that they're doing. They were working their buns off and they were feeling frustrated and resentful. And then we worked together to break the structures that were holding them back from raising their rates, from having difficult conversations with their clients, from doing all of the things that were going to help them enjoy their life more. Because they knew they were undercharging themselves. They knew they were undercutting themselves. And these are the things that you can do too. I have other lawyers that I've talked to, right? They're hiring employees and they're delegating to them. That might be something that sounds impossible to you right now. Delegating might sound like an impossible dream. Finding an employee might feel like an impossible dream right now. These are all things that can be accomplished when you stop believing the structures, pay attention to what other people say, and notice how much, how many times you internalize it as true.

These structures are boxing you in. They're trapping you, they're preventing you from having the life that you love. So it's important to just be aware of them. I had another client, this was Jackie. She and I did a podcast here on Be a Better Lawyer podcast. I'll link to that in the show notes where she made partner despite all of the signs, quote unquote signs. They weren't signs, they were her thoughts telling her that she could not make partner, but she made partner anyway because she broke the structures of belief of what a partner should look like, how a partner should be. So we started doing that work together. And these are the things that you can do too. It's not like any of us are these unicorns, these impossible people. And this is something that doesn't take flipping your life upside down either. It starts taking a hammer and just taking a little crack at a time to those structures, breaking them down bit by bit by bit, because that is gonna give you the safety that you need in order to move out of these structures because it can feel really unsafe.

Like that analogy I was giving you of the up and down rollercoaster. And you need those guide rails. Well, if you get rid of the guide rails all at once is gonna feel really scary and you're gonna feel paralyzed and you're not gonna wanna take any action towards creating a life that you love, the life that you want. So what we've gotta do is we've gotta find the places and the guide in the Guide rail that are workable that we can start chipping away at. And then we start tuning you in to your internal guidance system and we start moving down the tracks. And we slowly start, you slowly start following your internal guidance system more and more because you feel more comfortable. You've started to break away some of those structures telling you you can't, telling you that you shouldn't, telling you that you're good or bad if you do this, that, or the other, and you start to follow what feels right to you.

It may not make sense. It may not have any logic attached to it, but it feels right to you. And you begin to trust yourself more. You begin to trust yourself to take yourself through those ups and downs because you know the structure is simply an illusion. It's something there that's been trapping you all along. It has maybe helped you here and there 'cause it's given you some guidance when you didn't know what you were doing. But once you were tuned into yourself, you can start chipping away at these structures and you can begin creating the life that you want to have. So don't dismiss those desires that you have. And if you have a desire and you wanna grow or you wanna have more time to yourself, you have that desire, I can help you with it. I encourage you to book a strategy session with me.

Go to dina cataldo.com/strategy session and let's talk about working privately one-on-one will look like and how you will begin breaking down the structures with me and tuning into your internal guidance system. And for those of you who maybe were like me and didn't really know exactly what you wanted and you weren't really sure, but you just kept sitting on it and like hoping it would go away, or like thinking this is illogical, this is unrealistic, this is impossible. Why would I ever dream about this? If you're like me, I really encourage you to book a strategy session with me because I will help you get some focus. I will help you get some clarity. You will begin to see your possibilities for your future. And I will walk you step by step with what that would look like for you. So you can book that call at dina cataldo.com/strategy session.

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